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	<title>Utah Hunting Dog Training Blog &#187; Pigeons for Training</title>
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		<title>Mowgli&#8217;s First Real Point</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mowgli has been working with Chris Colt at Cove Mountain Kennels on some basic obedience and introduction to birds. He is a unique dog in that he is so full of energy it has been hard to get him settled down enough to learn. He is getting better at his birdwork and just started really [...]]]></description>
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<p>Mowgli has been working with Chris Colt at Cove Mountain Kennels on some basic obedience and introduction to birds. He is a unique dog in that he is so full of energy it has been hard to get him settled down enough to learn. He is getting better at his birdwork and just started really standing his birds this past week or two. We really struggled with his &#8220;sitting&#8221; problem where he would sit anytime he was under pressure. But, Chris has pretty much brought him through that using Dave Walker&#8217;s training method of stand up &#8211; stand still.</p>
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<p>Chris has recommended getting him out on some wild chukar next month where he can really stretch his legs and never catch a bird. That is the one drawback to dog training with pigeons. Sometimes they don&#8217;t flush very well at all and the dogs learn that they can jump in and catch them. Our quail are looking good for this year and we are anxious to set up or recall pen for the fall training season. The picture below is Mowgli&#8217;s first real point this morning, I was late on the snapshot but he initially had his front leg up and his tail high.</p>
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		<title>Bird Introduction</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2008/11/bird-introduction/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>I am working with a six month old german shorthair named Ace. He has had little training, and doesn&#8217;t even respond to his name most of the time. He is well-bred and has a very easy-going personality. My hope is to get him started on birds as I work at the pheasant farm this fall. Ace should be a fun dog training project for me.</p>
<p>This morning I took him out with a clipped-wing pigeon to begin his formal introduction to birds. Pigeons are a good choice for a first bird contact because of their small size and availability. I clipped about 2-3 inches off of this birds flight feathers. I wanted him to flap his wings and make a lot of action, but not be able to fly very far away.</p>
<p>Ace loved every minute of this first introduction to birds. He chased and played with the bird for a minute or two then brought me the bird. I threw the pigeon out a couple of times more and he gave chase and brought the bird back. I was pleased with the results and after about 10 minutes we ended the session. I&#8217;ll try to have a daily touch with birds of some kind for a week or two until he is pointing and holding his birds.</p>
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		<title>Tuning up for Fall Hunts</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2008/08/tuning-up-for-fall-hunts/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>It won&#8217;t be long now before the fall hunting season kicks off here in Utah. Firs off is the dove hunt which opens on September 1st. I have been trying to get my dogs into shape after a lazy summer of doing nothing. I can tell that they are a little soft and will take a few weeks to get the fat burned off. I took some quail out today and let Abby point a few and she was holding real nicely. I hope to get her a lot of birds this year as I plan to guide a lot more for <a href="http://www.roostervalleypheasants.com/">Rooster Valley Pheasant Hunting Preserve</a> here in town. It seems like nothing brings a dog along faster than birds, birds and even more birds.</p>
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		<title>Cheap Pigeon Nesting Boxes</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2008/04/cheap-pigeon-nesting-boxes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>Now that the hunting season is actually over I have spent some time in the woodshop working on upgrading the pigeon coops. I have two seperate coops for raising pigeons for the purpose of dog training. Today I found an abandoned shelf project that was collecting dust in the corner of my shop. With a little work I was able to convert it into some overflow nesting boxes for my white pigeons. The perches on the front are made with 2&#215;2 lumber scraps. I also had to glue in blocker peices to keep any nesting materials or eggs from falling out of the nest. The pigeons seem to like the extra space. This week I hope to explore my options of raising some chukar and pheasant chicks from eggs. When researching such topics about gamebirds I usually consult the folks at <a href="http://www.thatquailplace.com/smf/">That Quail Place Forums</a>.</p>
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		<title>The Higgins Remote Releaser</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2008/02/the-higgins-remote-releaser/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>Read a cool article today in the pointing dog journal about an even cooler new dog training product. The Higgins Remote Releaser, was developed by Brad Higgins at <a href="http://HigginsGunDogs.com">HigginsGunDogs.com</a>. Now the remote bird launcher is not a new idea in hunting dog training. Remote launchers have been in use for nearly two decades. The typical remote bird launcher has a catapult or spring-like mechanism that forces the bird up and into flight. This works pretty well unless like me you have a hard time holding the gun, the check cord, the ecollar remote and the bird launcher in two hands. The training scenario can go fairly smooth if you have a couple of buddies to help you out. But, if you are training your dog alone like I often do &#8211; forget about it. I usually hit the bird launcher button too early or too late, and even if I do get it right I miss an important correction for my dog because I am not paying attenting to his cues.</p>
<p>The Higgins Remote Releaser is a new concept that gently lifts the lid of the releaser letting the bird decide when it is time to flush. The releaser works almost silently using a hydraulic lift arm and gives a more realistic flush because the bird sits tight until it feels pressured by the dog to take flight. This is great for training a dog to be steady to the flush. After a few times of creeping in too close the dog learns to hold points at a safer distance giving you a better chance at a clean shot. I have yet to get my hands on this product, but can&#8217;t wait to get one and try it out. It really looks like Brad Higgins has got a great idea and a killer hunting dog training product. Click over to his site and learn more about the new <a href="http://www.higginsgundogs.com/USINGHIGGINSREMOTERELEASERS.htm">Higgins Remote Releaser</a>.</p>
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		<title>Using Pigeons for Training Dogs</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2008/01/using-pigeons-for-training-dogs/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>As most hunting seasons are coming to a close, I am getting my pigeons ready for their training season. During the Spring and Summer I often use pigeons in my bird dog training drills. Pigeons are cheap to aquire, easy to feed and house, and they breed like rabbits. My small flock of pigeons doubled last year with all the new squabs that were born. If you can provide ample nesting space and good nesting materials, they will keep you stocked with fresh pigeons for dog training year round. I like to use homing pigeons so that I can release them for training and re-use them the next time. They simply fly back to the coop and usually beat me home from the training grounds.</p>
<p>When you are working with a dog on gun-fire and holding steady to shot it sometimes becomes necessary to shoot one or two pigeons. I usually pick the old birds that are on their way out the door anyway. Seems a little harsh but you can only do so much training without shooting a bird. Plus, most dogs view the shot and retrieve as their reward for a good point and hold. They love to get their mouth around those feathered friends. I have a neighbor who raises roller pigeons and he sells me his worst rollers for cheap. I don&#8217;t mind if they don&#8217;t happen to roll very well, they still fly and home nicely.</p>
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		<title>Building Bird Drive in Puppies</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2007/09/building-bird-drive-in-puppies/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>A few weeks ago I had a friend who was trying to decide between two well-bred german shorthaired pointer puppies. We thought it would be interesting to see how the two pups performed when placed in an enclosure with some live chukar chicks. The goal was to find out if one pup had more natural desire or prey-drive than the other. Take a look at the movie and see which puppy you think has the most potential as a hunting dog.</p>
<p>The real question is whether or not this test is conclusive? While one puppy definitely appears to be more interested in the birds, both could turn out to be great hunting dogs. I would guess that the more agressive dog may be a little more challenging to train and will probably be more head-strong. In the end, my friend chose the puppy that hung back (honored?) from the other puppy while still interested in the chukars. Which puppy would you choose to take home?</p>
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		<title>Pigeon Coop Completed</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2007/05/pigeon-coop-completed/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>Through all of my reading and learning about dog training I have found it impossible to train a bird dog without access to plenty of birds. This week I finished construction on a small pigeon coop in the corner of my existing chicken coop. I framed in a 4&#215;8 area with a raised wire floor next to a window. It should work well for 6-8 breeding pairs of pigeons.</p>
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<p>In the rear of the pigeon coop is a small window that opens to an outside aviary where they can perch and get some fresh air. When my little flock of pigeons gets larger I will fly my younger birds and train them to home back to the aviary. The two pigeons in the pictures are common barn pigeons that I trapped.</p>
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<p>The nesting boxes were built above the window to the aviary. There is room for 6 breeding pairs of pigeons with the current setup. I placed some grit on the floor with clean water, food and straw for nesting materials. Next week I will purchase a few breeding pairs of roller pigeons from a neighbor. These are basically his culls that don&#8217;t fly/roll as well as he would like. Should be perfect for bird dog training.</p>
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		<title>Training with Live Birds</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2007/04/training-with-live-birds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>After working with Chris the other day I wanted to give it a go with Abby. Chris was kind enough to have me along as the shooter again and agreed to run Abby through the same drills. The first problem was that Abby was a little too hyper and it took her a minute to settle down and focus. Next time I think it would help to run her for a bit on the ATV to help take the edge off. It was cold and windy but she finally scented the bird, but her point was a bit weak. I think with a few more birds her pointing will improve as she learns what is expected.</p>
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<p>After Abby help a point for a minute or two we released the hen pheasant and let her fly a ways before I shot her. As soon as the bird hit the ground, Chris released Abby for the retrieve. She found the bird without any trouble but was a little tentative to pick it up. She seemed to just want to stand proudly over it knowing it was her prize. At one point she kind of wandered around the area to see if there might be another bird down. Finally, she settled down and picked the bird up. I knelt down and she brought it right to me. For a job well done we heaped on the praise and made sure she knew she did something good. In a few days we will try it all again in a different setting with new terrrain and unfamiliar surroundings.</p>
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		<title>Roller Pigeon Chicks</title>
		<link>http://www.pointinggundogs.com/2007/04/roller-pigeon-chicks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
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<p>My little barn pigeon chick died on the 5th day of life. It appears that the mother pigeon was killed because I haven&#8217;t seen her around since. I was sad to see the chick died but learned that there were other pigeon folk around. I went to visit my neighbor Mike who raises Birmingham Roller Pigeons to see about buying some pigeons to use for dog training. He was kind enough to show me his coops and gave me some good pointers for building my pigeon coop.</p>
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<p>He had several roller pigeon chicks and eggs to be hatched. He seems to know his stuff and says there are a few other folks in town who belong to a pigeon club. He agreed to sell me a couple of breeder pairs when they get done raising their young chicks. He said another month or so and I could come back and pick some up. He feeds his a mix of milo and sunflower seeds and uses the commercial pigeon feed as a special treat once a week. It was fun to see his kit of pigeons flying around doing their silly backflips.</p>
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